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"Negative" Sizing: The Size Zero Debate

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There is a "growing" trend happening in fashion right now and no it has nothing to do with hem lengths, lip color or fabric style. According to Women's Wear Daily the infamous size zero demographic is no longer limited to the silver screen or the catwalk; in fact these women walk among us every day. And their numbers are swelling (pun intended)!

But how many of us know anyone with a waist smaller than 23 inches or a bust that is no larger than 31 inches? Apparently, anyone who shops at Marc Jacobs is a likely candidate.

Yet Robert Duffy, president and vice chairman of Marc Jacobs International, recently said Marc Jacobs sells more zeros than any other size in its collection and, truth be told, he has never seen a cutting order for a size 14.

But before we jump onto the cat attack bandwagon and rail about the growing anorexia problem, consider the other sizing issues at work; vanity sizing and the disappearance of the petite section in many larger department stores may also be to blame. Designer Nicole Miller says she finds sizing to be more of a challenge everyday for herself personally and she is not a teeny tiny woman.

"I've noticed that other companies are sizing up. I used to go buy pants and would wear a 6, but they started to be too big. Now a 4 is too big," Miller said.

But even with vanity sizing and the movement of the petite set towards the size zero side, it still feels odd that the high end of the fashion spectrum should be so geared towards the minuscule. What forces are at work here? Is it perhaps just the economic bracket that these consumers find themselves in?

New York-based publicist Jennifer DeMarchi: "I think plus-size women have more options than zeros these days. Wal-Mart and Target have plus-size departments, but no petites," she said.

To me, this quote feels like the worst kind of New York Eastern snob stereotyping. Skinny New Yorkers feel victimized by the big girls who shop at the box stores in the rest of America. Those larger lovelies have all the choice! But you can imagine the same quote from the other side. "All those skinny minnies with their designer clothing. I don't have the same choice at Diane Von Furstenberg and Marc Jacobs. I am stuck at Wal-Mart."

But according to Kathleen Fasanella designing for body types at either extreme presents a unique technical challenge for a designer. Either end of the spectrum has its challenges.

Nevertheless, women find it hard to be rationale about body type and size whether the issue is plus sizes, petites, movie stars, or the changing demographics of America. Reading this piece it feels like we are in the middle of an all out size war in fashionland and both sides feels like they are the "fashion" victims.

Photos from our friends at Worth 1000.com

Comments (11)

Katy:

Thank you for your article, I agree and I'm pleased to have finally found an article which support thinner people in this new debate. I believe this has cause the issue to go the other way now so as the media is almost discriminating against thinner women now.

Brogan:

I think the size zero debate is a disgrace, giving young girls the ideas in their heads to become painfully thin. I can't wait to see something be done about it to get it out of the spotlight and the media's interest so these poor young girls can get on with leading a healthy lifestyle without feeling pressure.

Beth:

At last everybody is fat! Yipee!!. Brilliant. How much longer are few designers going to tell us women how to be. Isn't it sad that in the 21st century the main debate for young women is not why are our wages 15% lower than men but whether we should starve ourselves. I am sure Emily Pankhurst would be proud!!

Anna :

For just one second I'd like to put all of you in my shoes.
I am 25 years old, and I do not have an eating disorder what so ever, but I do have the hardest time finding pants that fit me. Sometimes a zero or double zero doesn't fit me at all, and other times they fit.

My whole life I have been searching for a line that will always fit! I am probably about 95 lbs, but it's not for the lack of eating, that's for sure!! It's not always about eating disorders, starving yourself, any of that. Sure there are celebs in the media that look like toothpicks and everyone knows why they look like that, but due to a very fast metabolism, I get thrown in the same category as these celebs, and honestly, it is upsetting. Believe me, if I could put on weight that easily, I would love to be a size 4 or 6. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to see a zero in Banana Republic and try it on, and they fall right off of you???

I am so tired of people saying, OMG you're so tiny, I wish I could be like that.....I figure it's almost as insulting as telling someone who is overweight, that they are fat. Please keep that in mind, not everyone is anorexic, bulemic or anything like that.....some people have a fast metabolism and have a hard time finding clothes...period. I can't wait for the negative zero line to come out, I just hope they fit me!!!!

shauna:

I think its disgracefull that a women or a young girl would want to be as skinny as a rake. I am only 13 and I totally disagree, as it is brain washing lilttle kids of a healthy size making them want to be a rake.

My friend is like really thin and just because some of my clothes look fat on me and she goes, "Omg I look fat I wish I could be thinner." My other friend is literally a size 0
and she gets her clothes taken up for her and I think its soo minging that someone would want to be like that.

If I had my chance to put my view piont across to the people who are size 0 and the famous people who are also, I would say what kind of looks do you get walking down a street and why do you think they are giving you these looks? I mean really people, eat, feel free, you can stay healthy and curvy and still look good. Please don't get offended by this, but I think if the famous people who are size 0 help by gaining back some curves then most people around the world will want to look like them.

KT:

I understand that it's not easy being on either end of the spectrum here, but I think it's not quite the same thing to be thin as it is to be large.

Yes it's distressing to not be able to find clothes that fit you properly. On the other hand, women who are starving themselves to try and fit that thin image they see on the runways and in magazines are DYING. For some it would be physically impossible to get that small, yet they try anyway. Death and permanent damage to your health are quite a bit more distressing than baggy pants or being looked at funny.

On the other hand, if people could feel good about being healthy in size and weight and fashion, entertainment, etc. would promote healthy bodies as positive images, then healthy women, no matter what their size--tiny to large--would not have to feel freakish.

And I will also say that for most of my life I was fairly underweight and I was always made to feel normal. Now that I have gained some weight and have a healthy BMI (and boobs! Yay!), I feel fat because everyone always treated me as having an ideal body, even though I actually was 10-15 pounds underweight and looked like a child in elementary school when I was in my 20s. So I honestly have to say I can't understand the "It's hard to be skinny, too!" mentality. Perhaps it is for some people, but I never experienced it. Now I am a perfectly normal weight, eat healthy and exercise and yet I always feel self-conscious about my weight.

KT you bring up a good point, but just as women are dying to be thin, women who are overweight also suffer from major health issues. The extreme on both ends encompasses health risks, issues and even death.

All of my life I have been told I am fat, even when it is abundantly clear looking at pictures from my younger days that I was so thin. Yet, all of my friends and family constantly compared me to my sister--yet little did they know she was much thinner because she was bulimic.

Amanda:

I personally believe that this entire debate is bordering on the ridiculous. I am 5'7" and weigh 200lbs. Right now everyone reading is most likely getting a visual image of an extremely obese woman. The BMI chart would agree with that visual. I am not obese. I have a large bone structure and heavy musculature.

Because of my frame, most people have guessed my weight to be 20-40lbs less than my actual weight. I actually have an hourglass figure which makes it difficult to find clothing that will fit both my waist and my hips. My chest size of 38DD makes it difficult to wear a fitted blouse without layering a sleeveles t-shirt under it so I don't have to button it over my chest and risk gaping between buttons. I got over this issue by the time I was 20 years old.

I love food, but have met women who are extremely thin and petite that could eat 3 times more food than I can. I have also met women who looked at least 50lbs heavier than I am and would be shocked to find that they weigh as much as I do but have a smaller frame. All women have difficulty finding clothing that fits properly. I realized that unless women get all their clothing made to their individual body, we all had difficulty with the fit and sizing of off-the-rack clothing.

Why? Because we are women. We have curves. So why do we listen to an industry that is overrun with men who couldn't possibly appreciate our form and design clothing to flatter it? Even naturally thin women have a curviness that is missing from the fashion world's clothing designs. Why do you think they prefer to use girls who haven't seen puberty yet? Women need to ignore the diet industry and fashionable body trends. I think we need to stop obsessing about our food and enjoy ourselves. The only thing we all need to do is exercise and have as active a lifestyle as we can.

When we become less stressed it will improve our mental health as well as our love life. After all, we do all the crazy dieting in order to become more attractive. I have never met anyone who enjoyed being around an unnaturally skinny, cranky, narcissitic, imbecile. Let's try to focus on the things that actually matter about ourselves. Maybe then we can start to enjoy family, friends, and....yes..........FOOD the way we were meant to.

Chloe:

Hi, its not brain washing kids. I am a size zero and I agree some models are horribly thin, but that doesnt mean that every size zero person is and it doesn't make us all anorexic or bulimic either. I hope you know how the other half lives because when people say to us "omg!! How skinny are you? That's horrible! I can see your bones!" we can't help it and it hurts us deep down. We may not show it, but it really does.

So next time you feel like critisizing the slimmer people just think what it would feel like to be them or to have somebody call you for something that you can not change on your body. it really does hurt....

xxmorganxx:

I think size zero + double zero is disgusting. 11 +12 year old girls look up to these models and think if I'm not a size zero that makes me fat, so they are becoming anorexic and bulemic. It is shocking.

If they stuck a 2 or 4 on an outfit that is curently sized 0 or 00, would you still think it's gross? Some of us can't find clothes because the sizes are too big for us. Should we just shrivel up and disappear? Even if we're naturally that size?

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